On Postone’s concept of the hollowing out of working society – XX

I want to take another look a the data supporting Peter Jones claim that federal deficits may be, in some way, fostering the illusion that state borrowing can create surplus value.

To begin with, I want to truncate the timeline and reorient the chart I presented in the last post.

Here is the original chart:

And here is the truncated and reoriented chart I will reference in this post:

Although the differences may be obvious, let me point them out.

First, I truncated the timeline, beginning with 1992, instead of 1970.

Second, I inverted the data, so the values now are showing mostly as negative balances.

Third, I have highlighted three periods (the blue arrows) where federal deficits went into multi-year declines:

  • 1992 to 2000,
  • 2004 to 2007 and
  • 2009 to 2015.

So, what can we see?

Well, consistent with Peter Jones’ argument, when the federal deficit declined from 1992 to 2000, we find the sort of economic event we might expect when the rate of profit falls: namely, economic crises of one sort or another.

During the first fiscal deficit reduction event, from 1992 to 2000, a series of currency crises swept the world market, global stock markets crash and the world market was plunged into a global recession. Further, United States gross domestic product, measured in gold, after expanding unsteadily for two decades, began to contract. A depression erupted in 2001, alongside the recession, that has lasted long after the initial recession ended, despite vigorous intervention by the fascist state.

However, the second fiscal deficit reduction event, from 2004 to 2007, does not unambiguously show up on my chart. The likely reason this event does not show up may be that the US national capital was already in a steep and prolonged contraction when the second fiscal deficit reduction takes place. There is some slight evidence of a modest acceleration in the rate of contraction of the national capital between 2005 and 2006, but I wouldn’t bet my life on the cause. What does occur during this period, however, is the final and long expected breakdown of monetary policy, as the Federal Reserve finally ran head first into the zero lower bound when the financial system came to the point of near collapse.

The third fiscal deficit reduction event, from 2009 to 2015, is less ambiguous than the second and, by far, the largest of the three. After the financial crisis erupted, the US national capital and the world economy was in free fall. Washington initially intervened with a multi-year massive deficit spending program in an effort to prevent the mode of production from rolling over. But the intervention was designed to be tapered off in the following years. Not only did the intervention address the immediate financial crisis, as the chart show, it was large enough to temporarily halt the contraction phase of the depression by 2012, much like FDR’s intervention did in 1933. A modest expansion begins in 2013 that continued through 2015 until more or less flatlining in 2016, as Washington deficit spending fell below some definite level. This situation more or less held until the emergence of the CoViD-19 pandemic in 2020.

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So, is Peter Jones right about deficits and the rate of profit?

Well, maybe, sorta.

But who cares, right?

I mean, you didn’t really think I went through all of this to test Peter Jones’ hypothesis, did you?

You’re not that stupid, are you?

Come on, nobody actually cares what Peter Jones wrote about the impact of fascist state deficit spending on the rate of profit, except me and a handful of other geek commies, people who even other commies don’t want to invite to their sparsely attended lectures, because we ask disturbingly awkward questions about obscure points of methodology and assumptions.

What you are really interested in testing is the mainstream hypothesis that the Great Depression of the 1930s began as a mild recession, but turned into a prolonged depression because monetary policy was hampered by the limitations of the gold standard.

Even Marxists believe that crap.

In 2002, for instance, future Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, wrote:

“When William Jennings Bryan made his famous “cross of gold” speech in his 1896 presidential campaign, he was speaking on behalf of heavily mortgaged farmers whose debt burdens were growing ever larger in real terms, the result of a sustained deflation that followed America’s post-Civil-War return to the gold standard. The financial distress of debtors can, in turn, increase the fragility of the nation’s financial system–for example, by leading to a rapid increase in the share of bank loans that are delinquent or in default. … Closer to home, massive financial problems, including defaults, bankruptcies, and bank failures, were endemic in America’s worst encounter with deflation, in the years 1930-33–a period in which (as I mentioned) the U.S. price level fell about 10 percent per year.”

The statement is almost hilarious.

That this poor simpleton actually believed the long depression of the late 19th century and the Great Depression of the 1930s could, somehow, be blamed on the gold standard is really quite laughable. That someone put this guy in charge of the entire banking system of the United States is — well — understandable, since they are all simpletons.

Bernanke was so confident the 21st century threat of deflation — depression — could be prevented by aggressive monetary policy because he had this amazing new 21st century super-secret weapon, a computer terminal, that could create trillions of dollars at will:

“the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation.”

So how did this super-secret weapon work in practice?

Well, between 2004 and 2007, Congress reduced the deficit almost 40% and left it to the Federal Reserve to handle the consequences. Again, as happened with the earlier Clinton-Gingrich deficit reduction deal, the so-called economy rolled over into recession. But this time, instead of simply taking out a bunch of foreign currencies, a hedge fund or two, and some 401(k)s, it took out the entire over-leveraged housing market, a good chunk of the global financial system and finally broke conventional monetary policy forever.

Oh, and it didn’t stop there.

As you can see in the above chart, the US national capital continued to contract sharply, despite Bernanke’s confident assurances that he had the tools for exactly this worst-case scenario.

Yeah, turns out he had nothing.

To ultimately stop the contraction of the US national capital that began in 2001, after a catastrophic financial implosion and the collapse of monetary policy in 2007-2008, it took four more years and the injection of deficit spending equal to the total accumulated federal debt of the previous 40 years.

And even this was only sufficient to bring real output, measured in commodity money, back to where it had been in 2009. In the end, the output, as measured in exchange value, was about 40% of where it had been in 2001.

In November, 2013, almost eleven years to the day after Bernanke’s speech on deflation, Larry Summers, former chief economist under President Obama, gave his own speech openly admitting the world had entered a new era of secular stagnation.

23 thoughts on “On Postone’s concept of the hollowing out of working society – XX”

  1. This analysis is fascinating, and I look forward to reading more articles. But sometimes I feel like we get mired in analysis of something that we ultimately want to change fundamentally. All of capitalism is predicated on the notions of property & ownership, and Marx & Engels state that we need to collectivise the means of production. I often wonder why this point is never picked up with the same vigour that is given to other areas of Marx and Engels work as it seems crucial that this is the conclusion they arrive at. Perhaps because it is difficult to scientifically prove that this conclusion is valid without relying on philosophical arguments? I just wonder if perhaps we will never unlock whatever it is we are seeking to find in this analysis of capitalism because we are approaching it from the wrong angle, the angle that avoids their conclusion that we must pursue collective ownership of the means of production.

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    1. Stephane, hi! Thanks for the comment. I am rapidly coming to a close and hope to wrap this up in two or three more posts.

      With regards to your statement on the centrality of notions of property and ownership, however, I am afraid I must politely disagree. Property and ownership relations fall in the category of legal arrangements. These sort of relation, while very important, are not as important as the material relations on which they are founded. Even if society refuses to consciously recognize the social character of the material relations into which it enters and must enter daily to reproduce itself, the social character of those relations assert themselves despite this refusal. It would be a whole lot easier for all of us if society would just recognize the social character of the material relations on which it is now based, but recognized or not, this social character determines all of social life. Capitalist notions of property and ownership determine nothing at this point.

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      1. But Capitalist notions of property and ownership determine what we “own”. They codify the disenfranchisement of all humans from the resources in the human domain. This is crucial to social relations. When you talk about the social character of the material relations that result of reproduction it seems to me you are suggesting that the process of human labour processing material in the production process must result in the social relations we observe under Capitalism, the emergence of the social classes of the exploiter minority & an exploited majority. What am I missing? As it can’t be right that a simple act such as a human making a hammer from a stick of wood & a rock to chop wood for his community would result in a nightmare society of exploiters & exploited. x

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      2. I don’t disagree that capitalist relations of production result in the systematic expropriation of nature from the immediate producers (which may be a better way of phrasing your statement), and it replaces it with capitalist social relations. I think Marxists get this much and are correct to emphasize it. But they miss the next part: these capitalists social relations, “with the inexorability of a law of Nature”, beget their own self-negation. This means, even after capitalist social relations self-negate, the members of society are now left within material relations of production that are entirely social. The immediate producers are transformed into social producers by the process of capitalist accumulation. It is an ugly process, but it works.

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  2. Loving this series and looking forward to you the conclusion you say is coming up. I came across this interview and wondered if you’ve seen it. Refers to Lacan’s critique of surplus value, and takes a very dialectical approach, but I think comes to the same conclusion qua Labour hollowing out that Postone did, that you are elaborating on etc. Its the same content I think but coming at it from a somewhat different angle. You might need to be patient until around the 30 minutes in mark to see what I mean though. https://youtu.be/p9g9-LSyPNA

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  3. Still no discussion of population or resources at this site.

    So…oil is infinite? As are coal, gas, metals, lumber, farmland, water, whatever else you wish to name? And human population can go to 9, 10, 11 billion, and this is meaningless because we just have to discuss economic charts?

    The game is up, folks. You and I are witnessing the endgame in action. It’s interesting, but somebody had to be there at the end, correct?

    If the world didn’t end in 1800, 1900, 1945, 1970, 2000, or 2020, then somebody had to be there at the end of all of these processes, correct?

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    1. Are you using log? It seems surprisingly similar to US numbers. You can almost see Thatcher emerging out of the rubble of the 1970s depression. And Marxists didn’t have a clue what was coming.

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      1. Added a second sheet for US if you want to dump your data into it and see what we can see. I also thought to record population, wage & national debt data to see if there is anything to tease from that data.

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      2. I read soimewhere that the UK left the gold standard during the Great War and had to gradually return during the 1920s. I am not sure how that worked out. But then the government went off the standard again in 1931 and remained off. Is this correct? It might explain the discrepancy.

        I am going to place my data in your spreadsheet for the United States tomorrow. I have to pull it together tonight.

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      3. In your chart when gold standard is left we can see the two values diverge from the same value. But in UK it looks like the two values had already diverged from each other.

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      4. This is fascinating. I wish researchers from several different countries add their results to your spreadsheet. It would be good to compare.

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      5. I’ve just added that data for US, linked the sources. But yeah, the link has editing rights so just add another sheet. It would be cool to see other nations added.

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      6. Do you recall what the historic prewar gold standard for the pound sterling was? I usually convert gold GDP into this historic peg to compare with subsequent nominal currency GDP measures.

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      7. I don’t know, a quick google Search throws this up:
        “1717 The United Kingdom defined sterling’s value in terms of gold rather than silver for the first time. Sir Isaac Newton, as Master of the Mint, set the gold price of £4.25 per fine ounce that lasted two hundred years, except during the Napoleonic wars when gold cash payments were suspended.”

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      8. That sounds about right. For the US it was 20.67 dollars per troy ounce. I set that as the standard for gold measure of US GDP in my historical table. I convert ounces of gold into dollars using that standard and compare it to the post-1933 floating standard.

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      9. It might be worth defining the methodology so that we are applying the same process. I think I might have over simplified the calculation to gain the GDP measured in Gold in the same unit of measurement so that we can see the divergence from gold standard? I will look again tomorrow.

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